when the late lloyd benson who was as able of a politician as i ever have seen in my life, his candidate still lost. so they don't vote based on it, but it's a 90 minute chance to connect with voters. and nobody makes a case for the middle class like joe biden duds. i think the vice president has to be careful about that and correct those misstatements of fact. i think this is a great opportunity to make the case. >> let me read something you wrote, so you'll know exactly what i'm talking about. >> you're a well read woman. >> someone that you know pretty well, you said the deep personal connection she able to make with an audience, the ability to attack without demonizing, the capacity to explain the mobs complex ideas in plain talk, and treating people like intelligent adults capable of making the right decision after hearing all of the facts, that is a glowing endorsement, but you're not talking about president obama, you're talking about president clinton, what should president obama learn from president clinton here? >> i think a fair amount. he had a bad debate, but the president i